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avaer, post: 1677, member: 896 wrote:

Hi Yeramia, I like your suggestion, however, I believe the main draw to this is to level the stat playing field between Jedi and Non-Jedi. You still will have access to your master cloak and belt as well as the 2pc bonus from that. So having armor with 35's and your Exotic attachments will give you more choices to build your character the way you want to. As well as giving you more aesthetic choices to build your own character how you want in SWG.

If you need help getting armor sets or crafted attachments, please let us know in the discord and we can work something out to help you get there.

Thanks!

Okay I must've misunderstood and thought that the rank 6 robe would be the only one that didn't mesh, post revamp. Getting my 2 buddies in this server, I more just think about the average onboarding experience. What I personally need for my toon was just a small point, but I'm not worried. I appreciate that!

I also didn't take into account that, if you've unlocked Jedi and ran 10 heroics, clearly you already have decent armor; so I admit my premise was undercooked.

TL;DR: Instead of completely removing the stats from FRS robes, determine which ranks are overpowered and nerf them.

The logic I've heard behind de-statting the FRS robes are that rank 6 is OP and Jedi will be wearing armor. I understand that eventually I will be able to afford armor which is better than my robes, but why not let me keep that extra increase to my stats to help me on the money grind? It's nice for us folks that haven't been wearing armor this whole time, to have a little help through jedi crafting.

windshadow0177, post: 1645, member: 1090 wrote:

Love the idea. This gives the BH's and Jedi both a sort of bottleneck to encourage interaction - benefiting both in the course of their goals.

The only modification I would add to this is for any non-jedi blundering into it to get a system message-style warning so they have the awareness and the option of reversing course... After that, it's FAFO territory.

100 percent, a warning message would be perfect!
I am realizing a problem with the light side/dark side free-for-all-aspect: If I want to 1v1 a light Jedi, even though only the 2 of us are wagering our charge, nothing's stopping other LSJ from hurting me or other DSJ from healing me.
It would be nice if we could indicate the 2 dueling Jedi by using holo emotes and penalize other Jedi that interfere by putting a timeout on their ability to participate in wagered duels. Or even having interfering Jedi's charges expended.

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TL;DR: Small jedi PvP events that are systems driven rather than staff created

Once you join an enclave you get a number of Duel Charges each day
A single location in the galaxy is the designated Jedi Dueling Grounds. When I as a dark jedi, am inside the perimeter of the Grounds, I may party up with a light side jedi. If we both have Duel Charges and I defeat the other jedi, I get a huge bonus on FRS xp, tokens or both and 1 charge from both of us is expended. The charge is not an item. Charge quantity can be checked with /showc.
The reason for partying up is because putting a charge on the line should be a deliberate decision -- 1v1. Challenging the other jedi to a duel, within the Grounds could also work.
The reason for the designated, singular Jedi Grounds is so it can become the Jedi hangout spot. Perhaps this is the only place in the galaxy where all Jedi can outright attack any non jedi character. I think it would add some flavor to the jedi/BH dynamic at this location.

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Right, post: 1599, member: 909 wrote:

So I've personally never played a game which had one of these systems, but I was talking about with this with some other folks who have experience with a system like this on other games, which I didn't realize is actually not hugely uncommon. They've recollected that those "item level" alike system have bred an atmosphere of elitism towards players wanting to do group content, and toxicity in PvP. I can totally see a risk of that, and giving me second thoughts.

Well I'm only familiar with WoW's iLevel system. In a WoW raid, a couple underpowered or inattentive players could mean a party wipe. The iLevel is just a depiction of the players' viability. If anything is breeding toxicity, it's the high standards of the raid and/or players that don't want to waste their time. If this server were to add ultra-hard heroics and people were to get toxic about power levels, these same supposed people would be just as toxic about arriving buffed. If the instances were difficult enough, people would ask new potential raiders about their gear. Like, if there was a chance that the stats of a greenhorn would mean you couldn't finish the raid and would be locked out for that day, of course people would ensure the adequacy of their team. A power level simplifying the information wouldn't be the thing breeding toxicity. What would be a more traumatic experience: being told that you can't come to the raid because your not strong enough, or getting to come along only for you to eventually realize (or are told) that you're the reason 7 people just wasted their shot at completing the raid for the day? I'd imagine the latter. I'd be curious if your sources were citing any small MMOs as being toxic because of item levels. WoW is huge, and anonymity invites toxicity (see social media)

As far as PvP, this is a server where my interest in ranking up my jedi forces me to get hunted by BHs. In the moment, it's super frustrating given the fact that I've literally had 0 chance at winning any of those fights. But conceptually it's fun, adds variety and makes sense lore-wise; so it's a net positive. My point is that the PvP in this game, and particularly this server, is already set up to be toxic, on paper at least. I could see someone being toxic about defeating another player with a much higher power level. If it really becomes a problem you could just remove power levels. This is just a UI change after all, and players wouldn't be losing anything.

Also a possible compromise could be integrating power levels into titles. So for example, I could choose to display "+94 Dark Jedi Knight" or just "Dark Jedi Knight"
Or the power level is in my character sheet and only I can see it. My friend and I share screenshots of our attributes. It would be nice to just say a number.

Right, post: 1586, member: 909 wrote:

I like it! I'd also be happy to help put together some formulas that would account for most of the predictable elements of character power (keeping in mind you'll probably not be able to account for player skill and strong build which actually are probably two of the biggest factors in my opinion).

Do you think this number should reflect PvP or PvE capability? I say this because Jedi FRS ranks (and possible other things down the line) is expected to be only improve PvP performance. I guess it could also average them.

Great! Yes I think the power level taking more factors into account would be helpful. I wasn't sure if my suggestion would be a huge undertaking, dev-wise, so I used a super basic formula based on a single duel (When I fought my friend, RIP) I don't think it should account for player skill or strong build, even in a perfect world.

I think it should reflect PvP & PvE capability as much as CL currently does. Thinking about the new player experience: anyone that participates in any combat should be motivated to raise their Power Level.

This combined with a guide (in-game or otherwise) that points the player towards some Power Level raising activities would do wonders for attracting and retaining more casual players, I believe. I'm basing this assumption off of my experience (still quite new) playing with my friend who's even newer.

Power Level: A value reflecting your character's power after hitting max CL

• Since 1-90 is such a small part of the progression, the CL indicator on the nameplate turns into wasted space for most players.
  -As harder PvE content gets released, a suggested power level would be the easiest way to understand if you're ready or not.
  -Getting Bounty hunted with no chance of victory is frustrating, but seeing the BH's power level at least shows you where you need to reach, to stand a chance.
  -A character with the best gear and all the buffs would represent the current max power level. If higher tier gear is added, "raising the max power level" is very clear and understandable messaging.
  -Seeing that power level go up as you get buffed, rather than having to hover over each buff icon, would be sick.
  -All-in-all, a clear number to work towards is just easy to grasp and satisfying.

Possible implementation, but I'm no doctor: After hitting 90, a number preceded by a "+" is displayed where your CL used to be. The number equals the sum total of all 6 attributes, divided by 150.
A character just hitting max level would be anywhere from 2 to 5.

I dueled a friend who was newer than me. He didn't stand a chance. His power level would've been 10 while mine, 24. A 14 point difference makes sense as a bad match-up.
I realize that this doesn't account for skill mods and build choices. That just means there would be a gap range of "good match-ups" which is good in my opinion.

(Mockup, Power Levels on the left and Combat Levels on the right)

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Just like the other invisible armor slots. Why not cover each one?
The only reason I look stupid is the visible shirt.. That's the only reason -_-