Remove Pet Ability Family Restrictions

[Ykeer]

In NGE, most things have become "skins" for cores. Namely, weapons, and armor. Very few things have special effects, as they are lost upon deconstruction.

Now, for better or for worse, that is the current situation.

This brings me to pets. As they currently function now, a pet's skin (family) dictates what specials a pet can learn.
In some cases, this makes sense, such as spiders having poison.
In others, it does not at all. See Horned Raptor with Wind Buffet.

A potential reason to not do this is that the skins show what abilities the pet has, for example, a camel is a kick pet.
However, I personally do not feel this is a major issue. Feel free to discuss.

My proposal is to make any ability trainable to any skin (family), so that you can have your favorite pet skins, with abilities that work best with your build.

For those that are concerned about selectable abilities being too strong, I strongly disagree, as the cooldowns on the "strong" abilities more than make up for it.
The lack of DPS from the pet with high cooldowns is another extreme consequence for doing so.

Let me know what you think

 

[NORD]

In NGE, most things have become "skins" for cores. Namely, weapons, and armor. Very few things have special effects, as they are lost upon deconstruction.

Now, for better or for worse, that is the current situation.

This brings me to pets. As they currently function now, a pet's skin (family) dictates what specials a pet can learn.
In some cases, this makes sense, such as spiders having poison.
In others, it does not at all. See Horned Raptor with Wind Buffet.

A potential reason to not do this is that the skins show what abilities the pet has, for example, a camel is a kick pet.
However, I personally do not feel this is a major issue. Feel free to discuss.

My proposal is to make any ability trainable to any skin (family), so that you can have your favorite pet skins, with abilities that work best with your build.

For those that are concerned about selectable abilities being too strong, I strongly disagree, as the cooldowns on the "strong" abilities more than make up for it.
The lack of DPS from the pet with high cooldowns is another extreme consequence for doing so.

Let me know what you think

This would create some absolutely broken ability combinations in pvp. Gonna be a hard no from me.

 

[Vikingmando]

Me sitting here thinking about @Obani's pet Donkey if he had kick, and double dot... "shudders"

 

[Ykeer]

This would create some absolutely broken ability combinations in pvp. Gonna be a hard no from me.

Like?

 

[NORD]

Like?

A 4 ability pet with kick, windbuffet, shaken, and disease.

 

[Ykeer]

Me sitting here thinking about @Obani's pet Donkey if he had kick, and double dot... "shudders"

The dots only hit for ~500 or so, I don't think it'd be that bad xD Spit hurts

 

[Ykeer]

A 4 ability pet with kick, windbuffet, shaken, and disease.

Disease and Kick (both very strong) have a small % chance to hit AFAIK (BC of the defenses here) I will test that to confirm. Kick may hit regardless.

Shaken is 10% increase to damage taken

Windbuffet is Glancing blow increase

all this would result in a pet that did very little damage though, which is a tradeoff IMO.

BUT, perhaps leaving signature abilities (such as the four you noted, and make things such as bite and claw trainable to all?

 

[NORD]

A 4 ability pet with kick, windbuffet, shaken, and disease.

Disease and Kick (both very strong) have a small % chance to hit AFAIK (BC of the defenses here) I will test that to confirm. Kick may hit regardless.

Shaken is 10% increase to damage taken

Windbuffet is Glancing blow increase

all this would result in a pet that did very little damage though, which is a tradeoff IMO.

BUT, perhaps leaving signature abilities (such as the four you noted, and make things such as bite and claw trainable to all?

My CL45 eopie was doing 4k+ auto attacks last night as I was levelling it. It routinely hits for 10k+ as it is.

This is also NOT about the damage the abilities bring to the table, this is about the UTILITY.

A pet with kick (a 6 second stun with no recourse), wind buffet (a massive GB debuff aoe attack), disease (a big ACR debuff), and shaken (10% increase damage debuff) would be absolutely broken in pvp. And this is just ONE potential ability combination off of the top of my head and I haven't even begun thinking about other potential combinations and how to compliment those with a player build.

I'm sorry man, but this is really not a good idea. This would be crazy broken.

 

[Ykeer]

My CL45 eopie was doing 4k+ auto attacks last night as I was levelling it. It routinely hits for 10k+ as it is.

This is also NOT about the damage the abilities bring to the table, this is about the UTILITY.

A pet with kick (a 6 second stun with no recourse), wind buffet (a massive GB debuff aoe attack), disease (a big ACR debuff), and shaken (10% increase damage debuff) would be absolutely broken in pvp. And this is just ONE potential ability combination off of the top of my head and I haven't even begun thinking about other potential combinations and how to compliment those with a player build.

I'm sorry man, but this is really not a good idea. This would be crazy broken.

Kick is 2 seconds.
Wind Buffet *IS* AOE, but only hits one target most of the time as it get blocked. (SOE confirmed working as intended.)

Also,
"perhaps leaving signature abilities (such as the four you noted, and make things such as bite and claw trainable to all?)" from above.

 

[NORD]

Kick is 2 seconds.
Wind Buffet *IS* AOE, but only hits one target most of the time as it get blocked. (SOE confirmed working as intended.)

Also,
"perhaps leaving signature abilities (such as the four you noted, and make things such as bite and claw trainable to all?)" from above.

Doesn't make this idea any better.

 

[Vikingmando]

This is what i'd likely use if we removed the family requirements for abilities.

Slash (5) - Base damage + 690 Health Bleed for 8 ticks (DoT Potency Increased based on pet happiness)
Damage Poison (5) - Base damage + 500 Health Poison for 15 ticks (DoT Potency increased based on pet happiness)

Kick (5) - Stun + special attack+1688 Damage (no recourse)
Disease (5) - 1000 Action Damage + 266 (base) action DoT for 35 ticks (DoT Potency increased based on pet Happiness)

 

[NORD]

This is what i'd likely use if we removed the family requirements for abilities.

Slash (5) - Base damage + 690 Health Bleed for 8 ticks (DoT Potency Increased based on pet happiness)
Damage Poison (5) - Base damage + 500 Health Poison for 15 ticks (DoT Potency increased based on pet happiness)

Kick (5) - Stun + special attack+1688 Damage (no recourse)
Disease (5) - 1000 Action Damage + 266 (base) action DoT for 35 ticks (DoT Potency increased based on pet Happiness)

And THAT looks pretty broken to me.

 

[Reedux]

After doing alot of BM changes on prophecy I feel this would be extremely broke. Mu h like prophecy where we had buff sharing and some pets had skills they shouldn't of created an alpha pet to have, as all others weren't worth the time in pvp.

 

[avaer]

Idk, this would seemingly solve the alpha pet issue currently, Kick / Spit are number 1 with defensive built BE rolls. Mix in some Stat mutations they are likely (with right support build) unkillable and with ST/ hit chance mutations they dominate. Why anyone would even run a different pet here I don't know. I've run BM and BE for a long time and I've never seen bracks crush like the ones I make here. Dot pets can be cool, but with 3 sec cleanses doesn't really matter. Forget about even rolling an offensive built value pet, with the armor disparity they get melted and can't be healed through. So, BM should be an Ability based / BE stat game not a, pick one pet and only use that. Pet appearance as basically just a skin makes way more sense to me. It becomes a coordinated effort between BE and BM to build a pet to how they want its abilities to be rolled. Not to mention the ability to change that pet's options, instead of running specific pets for specific things you have options for a single pet. That to me, is good BM/ BE gameplay. This makes my app mutations valuable as players will actually run Spined Rancor's that are a huge effort make as they would be great in PvP with different ability choices.