TIE/ln Changes

[Niko]

This is a change that has been much needed since live in my opinion.

For those who know me I am very apprehensive in making changes to JTL. This one however is a hole that was created with the implementation of Heavy Starters and ought to be revisited. As it stands, the TIE/ln is outclassed in every way by the TIE Heavy Variant. Better base stats, far better mass, equal mass, etc. The TIE/ln has been relegated to uselessness and should in my opinion get a long needed upgrade.

I have spoken with Rezec and received permission to discuss this publicly and bring him final thoughts.

So before I submit my thoughts I would like to get everyone else's. Keeping mind I am looking for possible exploits and imbalances and before I commit to anything I will likely be playing devil's advocate trying to tear everyone's thoughts apart. Once I am convinced though, I will get behind the overall consensus to bring this change to this server as the first step toward improving JTL.

TIE/ln Fighter

The Sienar Fleet Systems TIE/ln "line" Space Superiority Starfighter is available to Imperial Pilots at Advanced Combat Craft certification. This has a larger mass than the standard TIE Fighter and thus can carry greater weapons and armor. TIE/ln Chassis Blueprints The TIE/ln, a descendant of...

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[Niko]

This is a change that has been much needed since live in my opinion.

For those who know me I am very apprehensive in making changes to JTL. This one however is a hole that was created with the implementation of Heavy Starters and ought to be revisited. As it stands, the TIE/ln is outclassed in every way by the TIE Heavy Variant. Better base stats, far better mass, equal mass, etc. The TIE/ln has been relegated to uselessness and should in my opinion get a long needed upgrade.

I have spoken with Rezec and received permission to discuss this publicly and bring him final thoughts.

So before I submit my thoughts I would like to get everyone else's. Keeping mind I am looking for possible exploits and imbalances and before I commit to anything I will likely be playing devil's advocate trying to tear everyone's thoughts apart. Once I am convinced though, I will get behind the overall consensus to bring this change to this server as the first step toward improving JTL.

TIE/ln Fighter

The Sienar Fleet Systems TIE/ln "line" Space Superiority Starfighter is available to Imperial Pilots at Advanced Combat Craft certification. This has a larger mass than the standard TIE Fighter and thus can carry greater weapons and armor. TIE/ln Chassis Blueprints The TIE/ln, a descendant of...

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Here is the heavy TIE stat list

TIE Fighter

The famous TIE, or Twin Ion Engine, Fighter, is the standard starfighter of the Empire. TIEs are engineered to operate in groups; the stock TIE Fighter will not last long against even a slightly superior foe. Imperial Pilots are able to move up from their Light TIE Fighters and fly the standard...

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[Fyrakin]

OK, but what are you suggesting?

 

[Vikingmando]

I did a side by side comparison to the stats of both ships. The differences are are definitely something to consider. After comparing the two I would say a fair and valid change would be to adjust the modifiers in the chart below to increase the modifiers on the TIE/ln to that of the heavy variant but keep the mass the same ONLY due to the fact that the resource costs are so vastly different. Unless we'd be willing to adjust the costs of making the Heavy TIE to be more in line with the TIE/ln. But then you'd have to consider adjusting the resource cost of the Heavy Scyk and Heavy Z-95 as well. Overall it is a welcome change in my book

Crafting:

TIE/ln

• 12000 units of Steel
• 3000 units of Aluminum
• 6000 units of Low-Grade Ore
• 3000 units of Inert Petrochemical
• 3000 units of Iron

Heavy TIE

• 24000 units of Steel
• 6000 units of Aluminum
• 12000 units of Low-Grade Ore
• 6000 units of Fibreplast
• 1000 units of Iron Asteroid
• 1000 units of Petrochemical Asteroid

The next thing to consider is the differences in mass

TIE/ln

80k mass

Heavy TIE

95k (according to wiki)

Next the modifiers:

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Weapon Mounts (same for both ships)

Projectile weapon x1 Ordnance x1

Acceleration	400 (heavy 500)
Deceleration	600 (heavy 500)
Yaw Rate	300 (heavy 500)
Pitch Rate	300 (heavy 500)
Roll Rate	200 (heavy 250)
Speed Modifier	0.97 (heavy .98)

 

[Niko]

I did a side by side comparison to the stats of both ships. The differences are are definitely something to consider. After comparing the two I would say a fair and valid change would be to adjust the modifiers in the chart below to increase the modifiers on the TIE/ln to that of the heavy variant but keep the mass the same ONLY due to the fact that the resource costs are so vastly different. Unless we'd be willing to adjust the costs of making the Heavy TIE to be more in line with the TIE/ln. But then you'd have to consider adjusting the resource cost of the Heavy Scyk and Heavy Z-95 as well. Overall it is a welcome change in my book

Crafting:

TIE/ln

• 12000 units of Steel
• 3000 units of Aluminum
• 6000 units of Low-Grade Ore
• 3000 units of Inert Petrochemical
• 3000 units of Iron

Heavy TIE

• 24000 units of Steel
• 6000 units of Aluminum
• 12000 units of Low-Grade Ore
• 6000 units of Fibreplast
• 1000 units of Iron Asteroid
• 1000 units of Petrochemical Asteroid

The next thing to consider is the differences in mass

TIE/ln

80k mass

Heavy TIE

95k (according to wiki)

Next the modifiers:

​

Weapon Mounts (same for both ships)

Projectile weapon x1 Ordnance x1

Acceleration	400 (heavy 500)
Deceleration	600 (heavy 500)
Yaw Rate	300 (heavy 500)
Pitch Rate	300 (heavy 500)
Roll Rate	200 (heavy 250)
Speed Modifier	0.97 (heavy .98)

That's definitely a conservative analysis which is unusual and much appreciated. I think the concept of crafting should be discussed at the end of the conversation however. It's not without merit and certainly an important topic. I wonder if maybe we shouldn't start with the topic of changes and then finish with the topic of crafting.

I'm kind of the mindset of thinking outside the box on the changes. It will never be a pve ship and frankly we have plenty of those anyway. I'm thinking maybe creating a niche. For example, leaving everything exactly the same but adding another gun slot. Or... Changing the speed modifier to 1.15 making it the only ship that gets a boost to speed instead of a cut.

Those are just a couple ideas I've had. But we truly have a blank slate here so lets throw everything at the board and see what/if anything we agree on.